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([personal profile] dougo Dec. 19th, 2006 03:33 am)
I was taught that the possessive form of a singular noun should always end with apostrophe + s. It was considered uncouth but permissible to leave off the s after the apostrophe if the noun ended in s, but the invisible s at the end was always pronounced, such as in the old advertising slogan "Thomas' promises". But lately I've been noticing that people (on TV) have been dropping the s even in pronunciation: "Katie Holmes' baby", "Britney Spears' divorce", "Michael Richards' career". I realize that language rules are descriptive not prescriptive, and the fact that it's already widely accepted in mass media means it will probably become the new rule, but I still find it grating and I wish I could reverse the tide.

Edit: I just realized my examples all have a "z" sound at the end, whereas "Thomas" does not. But I've also heard people pronounce "Jesus'" without the invisible s. (Wikipedia, quoting Hart's Rules, calls this "an accepted liturgical archaism" but I think that only applies to the spelling, not pronunciation.)

From: [identity profile] prusik.livejournal.com


I think this is a style book issue (along with, for example, the serial comma).

IIRC, Strunk and White insists as you do that the possessive singular always ends with apostrophe + s. I think one of their examples uses "Charles's" just to hammer the point. I think people drop it because it sounds clunky and there is little chance of misunderstanding. I write "Jesus's", "Charles's", "Katie Holmes's baby" anyways.

(BTW, this is unlike the serial comma where it's easier to find cases where not using it leads to ambiguity. The canonical example is the hypothetical book dedication "To my parents, Ayn Rand and God." I believe there are also cases where using the serial comma leads to ambiguity, but I think they are less common.)

From: [identity profile] dougo.livejournal.com


There's little chance of misunderstanding in print, but when it's spoken, you can't hear the apostrophe, so pronuncing that extra syllable makes it clear. Then you could, for example, tell the difference between Mrs. Fields' cookies and Mrs. (Sally) Field's cookies.
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From: [identity profile] lilituc.livejournal.com


This is what I was taught as well, although over the years I've found many people will argue about it. I always pronounce the extra "s" sound.
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